\documentclass[11pt]{article} \usepackage[utf8]{inputenc} \usepackage{textcomp} \usepackage{xcolor} \usepackage{graphicx} \usepackage[ngerman,english]{babel} \usepackage[left=25mm, right=25mm, top=20mm, bottom=20mm]{geometry} \setlength{\parskip}{2ex} \usepackage[mediumqspace,Gray,squaren]{SIunits} % \ohm, \micro \usepackage{natbib} %\bibliographystyle{jneurosci} \usepackage[breaklinks=true,bookmarks=true,bookmarksopen=true,pdfpagemode=UseNone,pdfstartview=FitH,colorlinks=true,citecolor=blue,urlcolor=blue]{hyperref} \newcommand{\issue}[1]{\textbf{#1}} \newcommand{\issueg}[1]{\foreignlanguage{ngerman}{\textbf{#1}}} \newcounter{responsecounter} \newcommand{\response}[1]{\refstepcounter{responsecounter}\begin{quote}\arabic{responsecounter}. #1\end{quote}} \newcommand{\note}[2][]{\textcolor{red!80!black}{\textbf{[#1: #2]}}} \newcommand{\notejb}[1]{\note[JB]{#1}} \newcommand{\notejg}[1]{\note[JG]{#1}} \newcommand{\notesr}[1]{\note[SR]{#1}} \newcommand{\changed}[1]{\textcolor{blue!50!black}{#1}} \setlength{\parindent}{0em} \begin{document} We would like to thank both reviewers for their valuable feedback. Note that line numbers mentioned in our following responses refer to the new version of the manuscript, not the redlined one. \issue{\large Reviewer \#1} \issue{The manuscript "Spike generation in electroreceptor afferents introduces additional spectral response components by weakly nonlinear interactions" submitted to eNeuro represents a noteworthy advancement in the field, as it elucidates that, under an often naturally occurring scenario the non linear responses of the pair electroreceptor-primary afferent ensemble may intervene in signal encoding. The manuscript shows that during the reception of signals originating distantly from multiple individual conspecifics, electroreceptor primary afferents may exhibit nonlinear responses allowing the fish to guess the presence of more than one individual. This is articulated with clarity through a straightforward leaky-integrate-and-fire model of electroreceptor responsiveness. The illustrations are both lucid and enhance the comprehension of the results section. The discussion is sound. However, the intrinsic value of the manuscript would likely be obscure without a more "biologist-friendly" approach. I would like to offer several suggestions that may serve to either enhance the manuscript or inspire future research endeavors.} \response{Thank you for trying to make our manuscript more biologist-friendly! And yes, some of your comments indeed inspired our thinking for future projects.} \issue{First, I should point out that beyond the presence of a threshold-induced nonlinearity, the complex structure of the axon-like dendritic innervation receptor cell terminals within the electroreceptor organ. This analogical nonlinear response may have its origin in the branched anatomy of the dendrite-axon terminals, easily verifiable by anatomical studies, and the presence, hardly demonstrable but plausible, of ion channel diversity; see, for example, Trigo, F. F. (2019) Antidromic analog signaling. Frontiers in Cellular Neuroscience, 13, 354. for a discussion of the general case and the study by Troy Smith, Unguez and Weber (2006, Fig. 3) in which receptor cells of tuberous electroreceptor organs and their afferents from Apteronotus leptorhynchus were labeled to varying degrees by six anti-Kv1 antibodies. Kv1.1 and Kv1.4 immunoreactivity was intense in the afferent axons of electroreceptor organs. It is noteworthy that Kv1 are low-threshold channels and, in some cases, exhibit a prolonged refractory period (Nogueira and Caputi, 2013). These sources of nonlinearity could be mentioned to strengthen the links between well-written theoretical analysis and the practical field of experimental physiology.} \response{You are right, there are more nonlinear mechanisms potentially contributing to the threshold nonlinearity. We now mention this in the methods when introducing the threshold nonlinearity (after eq. 13) and cite the corresponding articles.} \issue{Second, and along the same lines, the discussion could be improved by mentioning the effects and significance of these nonlinearities when the recipient fish makes changes in its EOD frequency in at least two cases: a) sustained changes, as in interference avoidance responses, and b) transient changes, as in chirps.} \response{We added a paragraph addressing JARs, chirps, and rises to the discussion (lines 697--705).} \issue{Finally, the precise description of the methods could be expanded for reaching a broader biology audience; in particular, the purpose of some procedures should be explained in some way. While the meaning seems clear as the reader scrolls through the results, a first reading of the methods, although accurate, does not offer the biology reader a quick and intuitive approach to the study.} \issue{Next, I list some minor more detailed comments that may clarify the design and methods and facilitate their understanding by a broader audience.} \issue{In general, you referenced P receptors and ampullary structures; however, what about T receptors? How can one distinguish between T and P in the recordings? Might it be possible that the negative results observed in certain receptors are attributable to the type of receptor (P or T)? Did you postulate, as suggested by Viancour (1979), that there exists a continuum of responsiveness between the extreme profiles of P (signal amplitude) and T (signal slope)?} \response{T-units are characterized by 1:1 locking to the EOD, i.e. by having a baseline firing rate matching the EOD frequency. We definitely have no T-units in our data set, since our P-unit firing rates are well below the EOD frequencies. This we explain now in the ``Identification of P-units and ampullary cells'' section in the methods.} \issue{In line 147, rather than using the term "laterally," I believe it would enhance clarity to state "parallel to each side of the fish," as the orientation of the electrodes may otherwise remain ambiguous.} \response{Done.} \issue{Furthermore, no commentary or discussion is provided regarding the fact that the stimulation procedure, which is transverse to the main axis of the body, neglects to account for the effects on the field foveal perioral region where the majority of receptors are located.} \response{As stated in ``Experimental subjects and procedures'', all recordings were done in the posterior lateral line nerve. So we did not record from the foveal perioral region, and hence this problem is not relevant.} \issue{Line 148, the phrase "band limited white noise" lacks clarity. Upon my initial reading, I assumed that the cutoff limit you referenced pertained to a low pass filter applicable to both ampullary and P-type tuberous receptors; however, it could indeed be interpreted as the opposite. In a strict sense, all "white noise stimuli" are band-passed. The duration of the stimulus establishes a lower cutoff for the band pass in one instance, while the responsiveness of the stimulation apparatus delineates the upper cutoff limits in another. Nevertheless, once one comprehends the objective of the experiment, the implicit significance of the white noise filtering becomes exceedingly apparent. Thus, this description could benefit from greater clarity to avoid the need to explore the results first in order to understand well.} \response{We are sorry for the confusion. The cutoff frequencies stated are pure stimulus parameters and not related to the filtering performed by the respective neurons. ``White noise'' refers to a time series that has equal power at all frequencies (like white light) --- this choice of signal is agnostic with respect to the preferred time scales of the system because all frequencies (or, timescales) appear equally on the stimulus side. Bandpass-limited white noise has equal power at all frequencies up to a cutoff frequency that the experimenters choose in order to distribute the total power over a reasonable frequency range in which they expect a measurable response of the system under investigation. The choice was different for ampullary receptors and P-units as stated in the manuscript, but the stated values are not related with the actual bandpass filtering that the neurons perform on the input stimulus. The latter are quantified in the paper when we look at the linear and nonlinear response functions of the cells. We completely rewrote the description of the white-noise stimuli in the methods sections (lines 155--160).} \issue{Line 154. This procedure elicits a modulation of the envelope of the reafferent signal. To achieve this, you adopted distinct approaches for the ampullary and P receptors: a) in the case of ampullary receptors, you presented white noise and incrementally elevated its amplitude (variance) until the mean amplitude of the averaged sine wave recorded via local electrodes adjacent to the gills exhibited an increase of 1 to 5\%, is this correct?} \response{We increased the amplitude of the white noise until the standard deviation (not the mean) of the resulting modulation of the EOD reached 1 to 5\,\%. We rephrased the description of the stimulation and hope that this is clearer now (lines 166--169).} \issue{b) with regard to P receptors, you multiplied the head-to-tail ongoing signal by a white noise signal and played the resultant output, adjusting the amplitude until the local signal experienced an enhancement of 1 to 5\% in average, is this interpretation accurate? Since the head to tail EOD and the local signals over the body are out of phase this process induces both amplitude and phase modulation of the stimulus signal, which will be contingent upon the phase lag of the local EOD at the receptor site in relation to the head-to-tail EOD. This phase lag, as reported in the literature, exhibits a shift ranging from pi to 2pi between a receptor situated at the head and another at the tail. (I posit that this may not significantly impact individual receptors response; however, how does this influence the relative timing among distinct receptors, and what is its correlation with jamming avoidance mechanisms?) Furthermore, does this form of noise modulation exert a comparable effect on the flanks (i.e., the apex of the derivative) as it does on the peaks of the signal themselves? How does this affect the recruitment of P and T receptors?} \response{You are right about the phase shifts and that this does not ``significantly impact individual receptors response''. This is a standard stimulation procedure for characterizing receptor responses that are located mainly on the sides of a fish's flat body as the recording site is on the posterior branch of the lateral line nerve. See, for example, Hladnik and Grewe, 2023. And yes, this will probably impact relative spike timing in distinct receptors and thus may also impact the JAR mechanisms. However, this manuscript is about single receptor responses and not about T-units, and we feel it is already complicated enough. Therefore we would rather prefer to not open up all these issues, since they are not relevant for the results we present.} \issue{Line 238. Are you referring to the terminal non-myelinated branches that connect receptor cells to the initial Ranvier node? The peripheral afferent constitutes a myelinated and active dendrite whose distal branches receive synapses from receptor cells. Consequently, there exists a summation occurring at some juncture, likely at the first node, that facilitates the generation of an action potential. Otherwise, the signal would not be effectively propagated from the receptors to the ganglia where the somata reside. Receptors across various species exhibit notable differences; some are myelinated within the electroreceptor organ, while others display the first node external to the electroreceptor organ. Could you discuss this aspect, considering the anatomical structure of the receptor in your species?} \response{Exactly. We slightly expanded our description to make clear that we talk about the signal transduction until it reaches the spike initiation zone (lines 260--261).} \issue{\large Reviewer \#2} \issue{This work is a nice contribution to our general understanding of nonlinearities in sensory coding, and to our detailed understanding of behaviorally relevant information processing in the electrosensory systems of weakly electric fish. I have several suggestions for the authors.} \issue{(1) Abstract, line 29. "...if these frequencies or their sum match the neuron's baseline firing rate" is not quite accurate because "these frequencies" implies BOTH input frequencies must match the baseline firing rate. I think you mean to state, "...if one of these frequencies or their sum match the neuron's baseline firing rate."} \response{Your are right! We changed the sentence as suggested.} \issue{(2) Abstract, line 33. The wording here is unclear, specifically what you mean by "much stronger." Much stronger what exactly? I think you mean to refer to the fact that these nonlinear responses were more common and stronger in ampullary units than P-units, but "much stronger" does not clearly convey this, especially in the abstract.} \response{We changed the sentence to ``... identify these predicted nonlinear responses only in individual low-noise P-units, but in more than half of the ampullary cells.''} \issue{(3) Figure 1A. "r" needs to be clearly defined here. Based on the text, it seems to be the baseline firing rate of the neuron, but this needs to be made clear in the figure legend.} \response{We added a brief explanatory sentence to the caption.} \issue{(4) Figure 1B. "Because frequencies can also be negative..." This is unclear and needs more explanation, especially because there are no negative frequencies in your actual data. How can frequencies be negative?} \response{We added a few sentences following equation (1) to motivate the existence of negative frequencies in Fourier transforms. And we added a hint in the caption of figure 1B.} \issue{(5) Figure 3 and 4. Why are the power spectra clipped at such low frequencies? This makes it impossible to see peaks due to potential df2 harmonics and fEOD. Figure 5 extends to higher frequencies to illustrate these and it is not clear why these are clipped in these two figures.} \response{You are right. In figure 4 we show now the spectrum up to 950\,Hz, such that $f_{EOD}$ and its interactions with $f_1$ and $f_2$ are included. We labeled the additional peaks and expanded the figure caption accordingly. In figure 3 we stay with the small range, because we have so little data for this special setting where one of the beat frequencies approximately matches the P-units baseline firing rate (only three trials of 500ms duration). This is why the power spectra are very noisy. Also, for an introductory figure we prefer to only show the few peaks that are relevant for the rest of the manuscript, to not overwhelm the reader right at the start.} \issue{(6) Figure 3. Why are these example firing rates based on convolution with a 1 ms Gaussian kernel if the analyses were based on convolution with a 2 ms Gaussian kernel (line 169)? It seems that example data should effectively illustrate how the data were actually analyzed. More fundamentally, why would a 2-fold difference in kernel width be appropriate for presentation vs. analysis?} \response{Thank you for addressing this inconsistency. This was for ``historical'' reasons. We now decided to use the 1\,ms kernel for all figures and analysis. We changed the sentence in the methods accordingly (line 183). In doing so we also added panels showing firing rates in addition to the response spectra in figure 4. Using the more narrow kernel better reveals the details of the time course of the firing rate and this way improves the connection between the firing rate and the response spectra. In figure 10, middle column, the range of possible values of the response modulations is a bit enlarged by using the 1\,ms kernel, but the correlations and their significance did not change a lot either.} \issue{(7) Figure 3D legend. The relationship between 2nd order AM (envelope) and the two nonlinear peaks should be made clear. I believe the envelope is represented by both peaks, correct?} \response{No, what is shown is the power spectrum of the spike response, not the one of the amplitude modulation or envelope of the stimulus. We added a sentence to the end of the figure caption to make this clear.\\ If it were the power spectrum of the signal after it passed a non-linearity (rectification or thresholding at zero), then there could be also peaks at the sum and difference of the beat frequencies. However, since they are close to the higher one of the two beat frequencies they do not show up in the AM as obviously as for the settings used in the social envelope papers by Eric Fortune and Andre Longtin and colleges (we guess this is what you had in mind).} \issue{(8) Line 302. "not-small amplitude" is arbitrary and vague. Please be clearer and more precise.} \response{We rephrased to two sentences in lines 325--327.} \issue{(9) Figures 5C and 6C. For the stimuli with the red RAM waveforms, please make it clear which contrast is being represented by these traces, as responses to two different contrasts are shown.} \response{We added the contrast values to both figures.} \issue{(10) Figure 5E, F. The legend states that second-order susceptibility for both the low and high stimulus contrasts are shown in E, but E shows the low contrast and F shows the high contrast.} \response{Good catch! Fixed.} \issue{(11) Lines 453-465, Figure 8. This section was confusing to me. Why does second-order susceptibility decrease as stimulus contrast increases, when theory predicts that higher signal-to-noise ratios should result in larger nonlinearities?} \response{Yes, in figure 4 increasing stimulus contrast results in stronger nonlinearities. There, the stimuli are narrow-band sine waves. However, as pointed out in the context of figure 7, when using a broad-band noise stimulus instead, this stimulus by itself adds background noise to the system that linearizes the response. In this context, it is crucial to realize that the (linear and nonlinear) transfer of a nonlinear system like a neuron depends on the background noise. A Gaussian noise stimulus acts here both (i) as a signal that evokes a response (linear and nonlinear) and (ii) as an additional background noise linearizing the (linear and nonlinear) response. In the context of our study it implies the susceptibilities estimated from noise stimuli decrease for higher stimulus contrasts.\\ We added a whole paragraph at the beginning of this section to make this clear (lines 479--484).} \issue{(12) Lines 655-675. This was a very nice end to the discussion, but I would like to see more. I would like the broader significance of this study to be expanded upon with respect to (1) behavioral relevance for signal detection in weakly electric fish, and (2) comparative relevance for other modalities and species. Speculation is fine so long as it is clearly indicated as such. It might work best to expand upon and distribute the information in lines 655-666 throughout the discussion at relevant points, rather than as an afterthought. The conclusion section in lines 667-675 could then reiterate these points briefly and delve into more detail on comparative considerations.} \response{We also like to see more on this, but we feel that we already speculated enough. Without further studies on the readout of the receptor responses, we cannot make any convincing claim about whether and how weakly nonlinear interactions are actually utilized in a neural system. The problem is that a match of one of the stimulating frequencies or their sum with the neuron's baseline firing rate is required. This is all addressed in the (now second final) paragraph of the ``Nonlinear encoding in P-units'' section. Nevertheless, in response to reviewer \#1, we added another paragraph discussing various behaviors that modulate the EOD frequency and how these may exploit the weakly nonlinear interactions. However, we agree that the comparative aspect of the conclusion could be expanded. We therefore added one more final speculative sentence to the conclusion (lines 715--716).} \end{document}