Jan Gs great comments on manuscript and rebuttal
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Thank you for your valuable feedback. Line numbers mentioned in our
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responses refer to the new version of the manuscript, not the redlined
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one.
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\issue{\large Reviewer \#1}
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\issue{The manuscript "Spike generation in electroreceptor afferents
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the manuscript or inspire future research endeavors.}
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\response{Thank you for trying to make our manuscript more
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biologist-friendly!}
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biologist-friendly! And yes, some of your comments indeed inspired
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our thinking for future projects.}
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\issue{First, I should point out that beyond the presence of a
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threshold-induced nonlinearity, the complex structure of the
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potentially contributing to the threshold nonlinearity. We now
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mention this in the methods when introducing the threshold
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nonlinearity (after eq. 13) and cite the corresponding
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manuscripts. We also added a sentence there reiterating what we have
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in the discussion, namely that the details of this nonlinearity are
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not important in the context of the present manuscript, since we
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compute all cross-spectra between the resulting amplitude modulation
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and the spikes responses.}
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manuscripts.}
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\issue{Second, and along the same lines, the discussion could be
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improved by mentioning the effects and significance of these
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averaged sine wave recorded via local electrodes adjacent to the
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gills exhibited an increase of 1 to 5\%, is this correct?}
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\response{No! We increased the amplitude of the white noise until the
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\response{We increased the amplitude of the white noise until the
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standard deviation (not the mean) of the resulting modulation of the
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EOD reached 1 to 5\,\%. We rephrased the description of the
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stimulation and hope that this is clearer now (lines 164--168).}
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\response{You are right about the phase shifts and that this does not
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``significantly impact individual receptors response''. This is a
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standard stimulation procedure for characterizing receptor responses
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that are located mainly on the sides of a fish's flat body. See, for
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example, Hladnik and Grewe, 2023. And yes, this will probably impact
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relative spike timing in distinct receptors and thus may also impact
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the JAR mechanisms. However, this manuscript is about single
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receptor responses and not about T-units, and we feel it is already
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complicated enough. Therefore we would rather prefer to not open up
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all these issues, since they are not relevant for the results we
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present.}
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that are located mainly on the sides of a fish's flat body as the
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recording site is on the posterior branch of the lateral line
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nerve. See, for example, Hladnik and Grewe, 2023. And yes, this will
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probably impact relative spike timing in distinct receptors and thus
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may also impact the JAR mechanisms. However, this manuscript is
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about single receptor responses and not about T-units, and we feel
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it is already complicated enough. Therefore we would rather prefer
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to not open up all these issues, since they are not relevant for the
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results we present.}
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\issue{Line 238. Are you referring to the terminal non-myelinated
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branches that connect receptor cells to the initial Ranvier node?
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P-units, but "much stronger" does not clearly convey this,
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especially in the abstract.}
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\response{We changed the sentence to ``... we identify these
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predicted nonlinear responses primarily in a few low-noise P-units
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and in more than every second ampullary cell.''}
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\response{We changed the sentence to ``... identify these predicted
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nonlinear responses only in individual low-noise P-units, but in
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more than half of the ampullary cells.''}
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\issue{(3) Figure 1A. "r" needs to be clearly defined here. Based on
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the text, it seems to be the baseline firing rate of the neuron, but
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be negative?}
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\response{We added a few sentences following equation (1) to motivate
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the existence of negative frequencies in Fourier transforms.}
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the existence of negative frequencies in Fourier transforms. And we
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added a hint in the caption of figure 1B.}
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\issue{(5) Figure 3 and 4. Why are the power spectra clipped at such
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low frequencies? This makes it impossible to see peaks due to
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baseline firing rate (only three trials of 500ms duration). This is
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why the power spectra are very noisy. Also, for an introductory
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figure we prefer to only show the few peaks that are relevant for
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the rest of the manuscript, such that the reader does not get
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overwhelmed.}
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the rest of the manuscript, to not overwhelm the reader right at the
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start.}
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\issue{(6) Figure 3. Why are these example firing rates based on
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convolution with a 1 ms Gaussian kernel if the analyses were based
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actually analyzed. More fundamentally, why would a 2-fold difference
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in kernel width be appropriate for presentation vs. analysis?}
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\response{This was for ``historical'' reasons. We now decided to use the
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1\,ms kernel for all figures and analysis. In doing so we also added
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panels showing firing rates in addition to the response spectra in
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figure 4. Using the more narrow kernel better reveals the details of
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the time course of the firing rate and this way improves the
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connection between the firing rate and the response spectra. In
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figure 10, middle column, the range of possible values of the
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response modulations is a bit enlarged by using the 1\,ms kernel,
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but the correlations and their significance did not change a lot
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either.}
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\response{Thank you for addressing this inconsistency. This was for
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``historical'' reasons. We now decided to use the 1\,ms kernel for
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all figures and analysis. In doing so we also added panels showing
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firing rates in addition to the response spectra in figure 4. Using
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the more narrow kernel better reveals the details of the time course
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of the firing rate and this way improves the connection between the
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firing rate and the response spectra. In figure 10, middle column,
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the range of possible values of the response modulations is a bit
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enlarged by using the 1\,ms kernel, but the correlations and their
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significance did not change a lot either.}
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\issue{(7) Figure 3D legend. The relationship between 2nd order AM
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(envelope) and the two nonlinear peaks should be made clear. I
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\issue{(8) Line 302. "not-small amplitude" is arbitrary and
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vague. Please be clearer and more precise.}
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\response{We added ``resulting in AM contrasts of 10\,\% that evoke
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strong modulations in a P-unit's firing rate response''.}
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\response{We rephrased to two sentences in lines 323 -- 325.}
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\issue{(9) Figures 5C and 6C. For the stimuli with the red RAM
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waveforms, please make it clear which contrast is being represented
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by these traces, as responses to two different contrasts are shown.}
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\response{We added the shown stimulus contrasts to both figures.}
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\response{We added the contrast values to both figures.}
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\issue{(10) Figure 5E, F. The legend states that second-order
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susceptibility for both the low and high stimulus contrasts are
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ratios should result in larger nonlinearities?}
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\response{Yes, in figure 4 increasing stimulus contrast results in
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stronger nonlinearities. There the stimuli are narrow-band sine
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stronger nonlinearities. There, the stimuli are narrow-band sine
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waves. However, as pointed out in the context of figure 7, when
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using a broad-band noise stimulus instead, this stimulus by itself
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adds background noise to the system that linearizes the
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stimulating frequencies or their sum with the neuron's baseline
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firing rate is required. This is all addressed in the (now second
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final) paragraph of the ``Nonlinear encoding in P-units'' section.
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However, we agree that the comparative aspect of the conclusion
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could be expanded. We therefore added one more final speculative
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sentence to the conclusion.}
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Nevertheless, in response to reviewer \#1, we added another
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paragraph discussing various behaviors that modulate the EOD
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frequency and how these may exploit the weakly nonlinear
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interactions. However, we agree that the comparative aspect of the
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conclusion could be expanded. We therefore added one more final
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speculative sentence to the conclusion.}
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\end{document}
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